Jan 06 2011

Murray Pretrial Hearings – 01/06/2011

Seven @ 12:31 pm

Day 3:  01/06/2011

True Peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of Justice. -MLK

True Peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of Justice. -MLK

SOURCE: http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-conrad-murray-prelim-day-3-part-i.html

NOTE from Sprocket at T & T:

This is an unedited, DRAFT entry. I’ve posted this without edit to give you news as quickly as possible, so please understand there are typos and could be some information that is not as clear as the MSM reports.


9:25 called to order
Traffic and logistical delays. Richard Senneff still on the stand under cross by Low.


Left off where the hospital gave you the choice to call it (the death). That’s not correct. When we give our thrid round of medis we update vital sings of any changes. Read all the information. There was no change in te patient.

They said, We’d like ot call it. It’s there call. They want to speak to the physician. Be advised this is a very high prifoice VIP. The said No, call it. Put Dr. Murry on the line with UCLA and then handed the phone back to him.

Dr. Murray was assuming the call and they were going to the hospital. He didn’t want to make the call either.

Dr Murray assumed control.

Low: He said he wanted to insert a central line. That’s correct. Another idea he had, was to adminster magnesium. Yes.

They don’t give you all the equipment (medications) as a hospital, That’s correct.

We’re not trained in central lines. I’ve never been trained on it or read up on it, and it’s out of our rance/scope of training.

They did not have magnesium on hand. Not part of their standard medication stocking. So all that had to be otained from the hospital.

At some point he is informed of the name of the patient. I’m not sure who said it, but somebody said it in the room. No one was “insisting” that we do anything because of who this was.

Did Dr. Murray assist you bringing the patient downstairs? No, not at that point.

He went back up to get his gear, and left the room before Dr. Murray left the room?

Was there at some point did Dr. Murray say that he had found a pulse? Yes he did. (femoral) (This artery is in the leg close to the groin.)

As soon as he said it, the first thing I did was look at the monitor.

When you do good CPR, it’s common to get a pulse. I bleieve what I said was, sotp compressions, continue ventatations. If you stop compressions, then you feel a pulse, then obviously it’s not the compressions. Stop for a few seconds, check the monitor. It also gives you a clear opportunity of the EKG machine.

Now, dowstairs at the ambulance. There were a lot of people out there with cameras. Would you describe an accruate term, papparazzi? Big cameras, little cameras, video. There were a lot.

Lists the people in the ambulance. Dr. Murray asked us to give another round of epinepherine. They did that through saline line.

Now at UCLA. The crowd was all over the place. Dr. Murray made a request to put a towel over to cover his face. He thought it was a reasonable request.

When they left the house, a man with a camera started running down the street and put the camera right up against the window and was running with the ambulance, filming. Because of that event, it seemed a reasonable request by Dr. Murray to cover Michael Jackson’s face.

UCLA tried to revive Michael Jackson. While at the hospital he learned that the death was called by UCLA. He doesn’t remember exactly how long the time lapse was that passed, but guesses 45 minutes to an hour after arrival at the hospital.


Asking about femeral pulse during treatment. When Dr. Murray said he flet a pulse, not one of the other paramedics had felt a pulse. There can be a “false” pulse during CPR compressions. They stopped compressions for a few seconds, then resumed. He did not feel a pulse.

Did Dr. Murray offer to insert a central line from his equipment. NO Did Dr. Murray offer magnesim from his equipment? No.

When you first came in the room, and saw that Dr. Murray identified himself. Was that unusual? Yes. The fact that there was an IV there. Was that unusual?

This patient seems thin to him and pale. Your opinion of this patient was based on the surroundings, the IV, the look of the patient, the Dr. being there quite thin and pale. In fact, it was your opinion that the patient was dead.

No other indication of other type of illness or drug use, other than your observations and the defendat telling you he gave him mirazapam. o. It was just unusal to see a doctor in a patiens home, the IV and oxygen bottle.

You thought it was innaccurate that the Dr. said the patient had just gone down with the call. Yes sir. Reverifies with the witness: That you are comfortable with a time that the patient went down prior to your arrival? “20 minutes to an hour.”

At any time, did any of your team feel a pulse on this patient? No.

Sure. 12:05 could have been the time of arrest.

What time was the 911 call? 12:21 pm

That wasn’t actually the time of tthe call; that’s when you received it, correct.

Witness needs to check the run sheet.
Call came in at 12:21 they received it at 12:22.

There is a delay. The witness is coming down on a elevator.

Firefighter 20 years. Paramedic 11 years. Working as a paramedic on June 25th, 2009. He is a handsome, black firefighter. He was the driver on this call. Once on the property, he was directed in the house and up the stairs. He was towards the back in the line of people who entered the home. Shown exhibits/layout of the home where he treated the patient. He thinks he was the fifth one in line of the five firefighers.

When he first saw the patient, he was not on the floor; he was in the bed. Identifies the witness. He identified hiself as the personal physician. Dr. Murray was the one who opened the door and requested help. He noticed that Dr. Murray was sweating profusely . Clarifies that when he entered the room, the patient was on the floor. Testifies that he noticed an IV stand in the room. The patient was moved to a better area of the room.

Explains why he was last person in the room. As the driver, he got the gurney out of the back of the ambulance and other gear. His role, as driver, is to be availble to the patient, so he positions himself at the patient’s head. He did hear Dr. Murray being asked if the patient had been given any drugs and Dr. Murray said no. Dr. Murray explained that the reason there was an IV was because the patient had been dehydrated.

His police statement said that Dr. Murray said that the rehearsals the previous day had been 16 hours. Do. you remember Dr. Murray said something about a physical. Heard Dr. Murray say that the patient had been down five minutes, prior to calling 911.

I saw O2 cylinder. Oxygen tank. Anything else? Heart monitor? No sir. Did you see a nasal canula? Yes, that’s tubing that would go around the nose and connected to an oxygen tank. Did no observe any other type of medical equipment. Primary job is to get air going and let the patient know (endo trachial ET tube down the throat) how he’s doing. Patient’s head was at his knees. He was able to quickly place and insert an ET tube. Once the tube is in place, the patient is getting air. It’s a hand pump device. Other paramedics are giving chest compressions, etc.

Noticed the IV wasn’t operating properly, so they were looking for a site on the arms to insert ad IV. “To me, the temperature of Jackson’s skin was cool.”

While this was going on, he was also observing the heart monitor. And making observations on the capnography readings. Confirmed that the tub was properly placed an filling it’s function. While lookng for an IV site, another paramedic decided to stick via the jugular (the two heart stimulant drugs). He observed that the patient’s eyes were “blown.” It was his opinion, from observing the body that the patient was dead.

At that point, Dr. Murray held up a hypodermic needle with a blue color, and said, “We could use this here. The team said, “That’s okay.” Witness thought that was odd because it was odd because they had asked about drugs and Dr. Murray said he had given none. The size of the needle caught his attention. It was a 24 gage.

He noticed small bottles of lidocaine. It’s a form of anethestic. there were bottles on the floor. He thought that was odd because they had asked Dr. Murray if he had given any drugs and he said no.

Skipping now to when UCLA took the care of the patient over to Dr. Murray to assume care. Did you read through the monitors any viable heart rhythm? No. Do you remember Dr. Murray telling you he felt a femoral pulse? Yes. Was there something that you saw that you thought was odd? The patient had a condom catheter.

What is a condum cathether. Commonly used in surgucal proceedings when a patien is unconscious.

He observed Dr. Murray scoop the three lidocaine bottles off the floor and put them (in a bag?) He never saw those bottles again.

Observed Dr. Murray in the ambulance take out his cell phone and make a phone call. While working on the patient, he heard that it was Michael Jackson and he recognized him as Michael Jackson. At the hospital, he was at the location, restocking his equipment. He then asked a nurse to locate a piece of equipment. Briefly saw the doctor’s working on Michael Jackson. Dr. Murray was in there with the doctor’s while they continued to work on Michael Jackson.

CROSS by Low:

Going over his testimony of questions that Dr. Murray was asked. Questioning him about how long he thought Michael Jackson had been down. Verifying that it was his impression that the patient looked deceased when he first came in the room. Verifies that he testified that he thought the patient’s skin was cool.

Do you recall what date it was that you told detectives the patient’s skink was cool? (Witness doesn’t) Apparently he said earlier, that the patient’s skin was “not warm; not cool.”

Going over when the witness remembers Dr. Murray say he wanted to take over, and continue to the hospital.

Low asks for a moment to check his notes.

I did not ask him if the patient took recreational drugs. One of my team did. The answer from Dr. Murray was no. Verifies that one of the paramedics tried at least three times to find a vein in the hands or arms.

Do you have any reason why they could not find a vein? Is it in your exprience, people who are as skinny as they are, that drug addicts that it’s difficult to find a vein? The witness gives an example of a known drug addict with tattoos and he is still able to find a vein.

Even so, Low asks the witness that at the same time, it can be difficult. The witness agrees.

They did their normal protocol.


If someone has no viable heart rhythm then blood can not be circulating through the body one of the things that happens is the veins colapse and they can be difficult to access. Correct. Did you count the number of sites that paramedic Goodwin tried to access to get a line in? No.

Finished with this witness.

The morning break is called. I’ll try to get comments approved as soon as possible but it might now be until lunch….

Keep checking back for the next update.
For those of you following on Facebook, I can’t access Facebook from the LA County WiFi so I will have to wait until I get home to answer your questions.

12:05 pm
I’m finally in the cafeteria. Going to wolf down some lunch and then post the rest of my chicken-scratching looking typing of the morning sessions. There were two witnesses that introduced phone records. It was rapid fire information and I missed quite a bit of it. I will probably summarize it since it was just to introduce the phone calls and text messages records. The actual content of those phone calls and text messages will come later. The most interesting thing is to see “when” Dr. Murray was on the phone and how long those phone calls and messages lasted. And, Dr. Murray had two phones. An iPhone and a Sprint-Nextel phone registered to him. And it appears he was actively using both phones for text and calls all through the morning of June 25th. I’ll get that up asap. Once again, If you make a comment reply on my Facebook page, I will get a copy of it in my email, but I can’t reply or send messages on Facebook while I’m at the courthouse. Sorry about that.

Continuation of morning session:

10:58 am
Back inside the courtroom. No video again.

People call Harry Doliwal ?
Older man with graying hair. I can’t tell if he’s black. He had dark skin.
daliwal Indian?


Debrah Brazil direct.

ATT employee for 15 years. Area retail sales manager of 8 stores. Acces over phone records, text messages.

Exhibit 19 72 pages. He recognizes the document; he’s reviewed the document before. Cell phone records. Chernoff states he’s not familiar with the document and is examining it Chernoff has received the phone records not the text records. He has no objection.

Directed to page 2. Does page 2 provide information to who those records belong: Conrad Murray. Reads the phone number into the record.

Contain cellular call information and data information for that phone. Data information is all text messages, email or if the owner checks the internet.

Witness is familiar with ATT’s iPhone. Trying to explain when data is “pushed” through a phone. It’s when data information automatically comes into the phone email, web, etc. Each one of those data pushes would be recorded on the phone.

Direct to Page 66 of Exhibit. Describe for the court, the information contained on the page, left to right in the columns.

Item number = serial number as activilyt happens it chronologcial and the time. Next column, there’s no information in the sent or received collumn… Sometimes he’s seen this. Next column is the amount of kilobytes. Higher number reflects more data, more character, a larger piece of information, larger email, text, etc. SMS indicates that this is a text message.

Can’t tell from this page if the message is incoming or outgoing. But can tell that on the clients bill. Next column, charge, is the charges for that particular entry. Servicing area. There is a state abreviation (TX for Texas).

Cell phone activity starting on June 25th, 2009. On page 66. Going over those entries.

Starting with serial number 870, is that the first entry on that date? Yes. What time

12:04 am received data entry.
3:04 and so on…
871 received data entry all the same all the way through with
876 data entry at 6:04

Is very possible that was the setting on the phone. It’s possible that the phone was set and the automatic activity would occur.

6:25 am text message.
next entry
7:03 am data
7:20 am data
8:14 am datanext text message from texas

8:54 am data
Page 67 of cell phone records.

9 am text message sent to or from someone in TX
9:11 am tex message to or from TX
8:35 am data
10:04 am data
10:15 am data
10:26 am text message TX
10:24 am ????
I missed two listings
12:03 pm text
12:04 text message to or from TX
12. 13 pm data
12:18 pm data
12:53 pm text mesage California
1:23 pm text message Nevada
2:19 pm next one ? data

Various messages that continue The times are read too fast to copy.
PAGES 1-24
What type of acttivity is reflected?

Cell phone usage, to or from..
Calls, on June 25th, 2009, page 21 page 22 page 23.
Page 21 first
top column across read the descriptions

Item =serial number
date =date of call
time = time
calls to =to incoming or out going call
minutes used= length
usage type =what type of phone call it was.
then roaming type= if on home system or other network.
Code,= “Network code not familiar with”
Next “Tells which carrier carries the call.”

June 25th, 2009 phone activity.
item 319

9:23 am number incoming 22 minutes
next several items, serial numbers 312-328 calls made on June 25th as well.

Copy of Exhibit 20. He examined this before coming to court today.

Compared information on peoples 20 to cell phone records.

Reads off a list of call times on Murray’s phone

10:29 am call from ? to Murray’s phone 22 minutes

11:07 am from 6xx 994 3233 to Murray’s phone 1 minute
11 18 am call from 7xx 862 0973 placed 2xx 866 6802 and that call logged at 32 minutes.

missed listing one call

11:49 am call placed from Murray to 702 xxx 4989 3 minutes.
11:51 am a call placed from Murry to 832-xxx-3832 11 minutes.
12:12 pm from Murray phone to 562 xxx-2570 lasted 1 minute
12:15 pm from 562 xxx 2570 to conrad Murray 1 minute


How did you get chosen for this? “I didn’t.”

.Is there a way for the prosecution or the defense to rectrieve the content of text messages? “It’s not a yes or no. There is a way. However, I’m not familiar with it. I’m not in that process, so I don’t know.”

What about the content of voice mail? Is there a way for ATT to retrieve that voice mail? “It’s a yes or no answer, It can be done but I’ not an expert.”

EC: That’s all I have.

No redirect.

Jeff Strohm next witness #9

Walgren, states that both the content of the cell phones and text messages have been provided in discovery. And if there is a question about that he would be happy to answer.


I work for Srpint Nextel communications where I am a custodian of records. As a custondian I’m responsible for tetifying. Responsible for various type of legal comands.

Exhibit 21

He’s familiar with the docuent. 702 xxx-3747 phone records for subscriber information and phone calls. Conrad Murray.

Are these records prepared near the time of the activity occurs. Are these documents regularly maintained in Sprint Nextel activities. Yes.

Entries for date June 25th, 2009

page 123 of 183
Briefly decribe the information contained in the header.

Calling number initiation
next call receiving
dial digets numbers actually entered
4 mobile roll number (inbound or outboud or routed)
start date date and time of call (it will be the time of the tower that gets the call) millitary time.

more call detail descriptions.

All phone calls on June 25 based in LA? “Correct”

reviewed calls from 7:01 am to 8 pm reviewed those calls.

He’s seen exhibit 20 before he came to court today.

Verifies the information on nextel phone of that document (outlined in blue) is accurate.

7?? am from xxx 792 709 made to ???? 25 seconds
8:49 am from 5217 to Conrad Murary nextel 3437 53 seconds
10:22 am from 0124 to 3747 111 seconds
10:34 am from Conrad 3747 to 3233 = 8 and a half minutes
11:26 am from 9566 to Conrad 3747 seven seconds
1:08 pm from his phone to 310 xxx-070 2 minutes

People’s 21 chart focus on two calls: 8:49 am 53 seconds and right below that a call for 48 seconds

plese describe what it reflects.

If you look at the call detail. One is a routed call, and the second is the inbound call. And that is actually one call because the times overlap, so the 53 seconds would be more accurate.


What is a routed call? There’s two examples of routed calls.

Temporary local dialing number that’s a bridge number when they are in an area that they can’t find service. That number is used so the person can complete a network connection. routed aspect and inbound aspect. And the overlaping times tell you that.

The person making or receiving would they know the call was being routed.

Witness excused.

Prosecution Asks to break early since they have no more witness scheduled for the morning. It’s 11:50 am. Judge Pastor agrees and asks everyone to be ready to go at 1:15 pm.

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SOURCE: http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-conrad-murray-prelim-day-3-part-ii.html

NOTE from Sprocket at T & T:

This is an unedited, DRAFT entry. I’ve posted this without edit to give you news as quickly as possible, so please understand there are typos and could be some information that is not as clear as the MSM reports.

Afternoon session.

When I got in the elevator to go down to lunch, Mona, the excellent sketch artist who’s inside the courtroom was in the elevator too. I asked her what family was in the courtroom. Faux pas! She said, “Well there’s one family member.” One of Michael’s brothers was in the elevator standing right beside her. I was so embarrassed! I apologized. I said, “I didn’t recognize you.” He smiled and said, “Sometimes I don’t recognize myself.” So kind. I still don’t know who it was, since the man didn’t look like any media photos of Michael’s brothers that I’ve seen. Oh well.

1:12 pm
Back inside the courtroom.
The binder in front of the camera is removed but we have no sound. Pop quiz on the numbers from the morning session tomorrow.

The exhibits are not actually being entered into evidence at this time. They are always clarifying that this is “for reference only.”

Still dont have sound and Judge is on the bench. The deputy leaves to go get the sound turned on. Picture, but no sound. Ah sound.

CHARLICE Cooper (spelling?) had a Dr. Cooper #10

UCLA Emergency medicine physician.

Been an attending since 2008. She details how long she was a resident. June 25th 2009 working at UCLA as an ER physician.

Remeber being consulted by a bay station call in?

There is a care nurse, assigned to answer radio calls.

That nurse is charged ot radioing back to the care for hte patient to be given? (Yes).

We can barely hear this doctor.

Dr. Richelle Cooper.

Details what she kearned when she was first made aware of the radio call. She goes over the base hospital form. My understanding that the arrest was around 12:18… she needs to review her records.

The time is the “estimated” time of cardiac arrest. This infor came from the radio nurse relayed to her. While this bay station call was continuing, she was only being consulted as needed.

I was told that resustation (at the scene) did not pronounce ay response. I gave permission to pronounce at 12:57 pm.

She told that for transport, the personal physician would have to take (control?) and would have to arrive with the patient. She was there when the ambulance arrived.

I had already prepared a team. As the patient rolled passed, I was introduced to Dr. Murray. Identifes him for the record. Asked him what happened. Dr. reported that the patient a ? state of health not ill, had been having trouble sleeping. That he was dehydrated and hand not been sleeping. He reporte that he had given the patient 2 mg of borazapam (sp?) and then later another dose. Did not mention that he had given the patient any other drugs. Murray stated he witnessed the arrest.

I asked about reported past drug use that he may have been taking other than the valium and flomax. there was no seizure activity or if the patient had any chest pain before the arrest.. Murray her no seizure activity preceeding the arrest.

Murray told her he tok Valium and flomax. It’s for urinary flow problems. Describes what Valium is. Dr. Murray stated there was no report of chest pains or anything of that nature? Correct.

The patient had no sign of life. The pupils were fixed and dialated. The patient was dead on arrival to UCLA. Despite that conditon, they attempted to revive the patient. No pulse; no other signs of trauma. Proceeded to adminster other drugs. Patient is still being ventelated and CPR is continuing and cardiac monitors on the patient.

Did you ever note or feel or observe a pulse on the patient. I did not. There was report of a pulse being felt on the nurse call sheet. She lists the “starter drugs” that were additionally given to Michael Jackson. They were not effective. Time spent on the patient, 1 hour, 26 minutes. She made the decision at 2:26 pm to call the patient deceased (stop treatment?)?

Blood was drawn from the patient for later medical testing. When Jackson arrived at UCLA, he was given a medical record number/name to track everything until the patient is formally registered. Gershwin was the name given to all Michael Jackson so that things can be recorded and labeled immediately so they can perform care.

What is a urinary catheter?

Urinary catheter, It’s put on the penis. For those that are incontent or when they are sedated. She observed that when he came in, he had on a condom catheter. At any time did Dr. Murray indicate that he had administerd propofol or any othe benzodiazapine? No.

Have you ever been involved i nor witnessed or present a situation where a medical doctor was administered in a home setting? No.

Are you familiar with propofol? yes, I’ve used it before. Used it for a procedural sedation. To like, set a broken bone. Also use it sometimes when patients are intubated, and we don’t want them to wake up. So, in a surgery situation where you want to put the patient under. Yes. I’ve seen it used in outpatient, setting but not in a home setting.



Doy ou yourslef use prophfol. Personally, I’ve adminsiter it patients. As an ER physician, she doesn’t need to be licensed to use it. Any doctor can use any medication.

She pronounced the patient originally at 12:57 pm.

There was a report by Dr. Murray that he had detected a pulse which was in conflict so she made the decision to attempt.

There was one other person who said that they detected a pulse? “I can not confirm.”

Was it Dr. Wang? Do you have your medical records with you? Did you write in the name of the person who felt the pulse? No I did not.

Do you have BATE stamp 2132. I left mine in the car. Mr. Walgren is complying.

“This is a nurse scribe note.” (about the feeling of a pulse)

I don’t know who reported the pulse. Dr. Murray was in the room and did have gloves on. Was Dr. Murray hands on in the room? “When he arrived yes.”

I was never able to confirm a pulse. Sometimes, people feel a pulse that isn’t there.

I began questioning him as soon as he came in the door. He reported to me that he was there when the patient stopped breathing.

What is it that you see, when you witnessing an arrest? (snip) I heard him to mean that he saw the patient stop breithing, and administered CPR.

Explains what she would consider “witnessing an arrest” It’s a common phrase that we would use regarding …. if I was in the room.

My recolection, from my notes, that’s what I was told, that Dr. Murray witnessed the arrest.

Does it have the same meaning for all medical people? I can’t speak for all people. But I would say for all physicians, they would say, “witnessed arrest.” She did not ask Dr. Murr to elaborate what he meant.

She asked Dr. Murray if Jackson used recreational drugs. I had a 50 year old male that was dead. I didn’t know why. (This is a common question.)

Did not ask Dr. Muray what time he gave the mirazapam. The exact time, no. She didn’t ask and wasn’t given any time frame.

Questions about drugs given to Michael Jackson.

Isn’t the timng of the dose important? She pauses before she answers. I suppose you could say the timing would be important, if I was admnistering more sedative medication.

Asks which situations propofol is used. Amout used for procedural sedation, witness asks back? Every patient is a little bit different. Mentions MJ’s weight 136 pounds, and asks how much for that weight. (Generally) 60 mg is what she usually starts with. Asked if that is a little conservative.

In MJ, it could produce sedation. Sometimes we have patients (where that happens?). Asks about 25 mg. Generally 60 mg would last 10 to 20 minutes. You wouldn’t expect a sedation more than 5-10 minutes on only 25 mg. “I don’t know how long that dose would last. A dose usually takes 20-30 minutes to wear off.” Everyone’s different.

I wouldn’t know why someone would use that amout. I would not expect that 40 minutes later that medication would have an effect.

Talking about 25 mg infusion over a 3 to 4 minutes of time. I would not expect… ???

What if scenario…. that if gave that medication at 10 am, and at noon, the patient stopped breathing you would not expect that it was the medication that caused it would you?

She explains that if she was administering a sedative… she would be concerned…(miss the rest of the answer).

If you’re not giving continual medicaiton, then the meds clear within 10 to 20 minutes. What is it that lets you wake the patient up so quickly.?

Asks if she had known propofol was administered would she have treated any differently? She states she was treating a cardiac arrest.

I thnk I have this next part correct. IF there was no other medication given (between the sedative and the arrest) she would not think the events that were related.

“If there is more than one sedative, there is an additive effect.”

If a one time dose of propofol, I would not expect (an hour later) the propofol would have any effect.


Mr. Flannagan, wanted you to assume that Dr. Murray gave propofol around 10 40 to 10 50, only 25 mg….however if that was not a truthful statement, your answer would (differe significantly).

Walgren asks if the drugs on top of drugs were given to Jackson, that would (be an accumulative) effect?

Protocol requires certain monitoring to administer propofol. There needs to be equipment available to monitor the airway. There must be heart monitoring. There has to be a staff person available as their only job to monitor the euqipment/patient. So that the patient doesn’t die? Yes.


When take history, itis for urpose of treatiment? Yes. She calrifies, that when she asks for history of drug use, it’s relevant to (? the treatment at hand)/ She tries to get a medical history of the treatment at hand. (I don’t think I’m explaining this correctly.)

If you had known that Dr. Murray had been giving Michael Jackson propofol all this time, that would not have made and difference as to the medical treatment you had given him? No.


She would want to know about any medication that was given to the patient. It would have been helpful. It would have given me a (fair) interpretation as to what had occurred.

People call Dr. Tau Wen? #11

Thao Nguydn (Pronounced “Wen”)

Goes over her credentials.
Working as a cardiolgist fellow on 6/25 for cardiac intensive care unit. How long? 3 (and a half?) years and a half. In June I had finished my fellowship.

I am the one resonsible for hte whoe unit the entire staff. Her role on June 25th.

She was called to the ER. By Richelle Cooper. When she came down Dr. Cooper was working on the patient. Dr. Cooper introduced her to the defendant. She met Dr. Murray in the ER. Asked Dr. Murray what happened.

He told me he was the physician for hte patient. The patient was preparing for a tour in England and had some difficulties sleeping and had been giving some medications for sleep. Asked him what did you give? He said, 4 miligrams of adavan (mirazapam) via IV.

At that time were you aware of the condition of the patient? Yes. What follow up questions did you ask. Asked him if he gave any other medications. What did he tell you? No. What did you ask him next? Did you try to reverse the effect of the adavan? He said no. Asked him what happened after he gave the medication. He told me that he later found the patient not breathing. Asked him when he found the patient not breathing. He said he did not know the time. Did you ask him when he had the ptien down when he made the 911 call. He said he did not have a watch and he did not have the time. (He didn’t know the time lapse.) Not able to give her any kind of time estimate as to when the drug was injected as to when the patient went down or when the patient was found not breathing.

Were there any other questions directed at Dr. Murray or does that sum it up? Dr. Murray did tell us, he asked me not to (?) and to try to save the patient. Did he ever mention giving the patient propofol? No. Did he ever mention giving the patient other benzodiazapine medications? Absolutely not.

She did the baloon pump, after the time was already called. She didn’t think it would work based on all that had been done already. So, an agreement was made with Dr. Murray that if the balloon pump failed, then they would call the time of death.

When the time of death was called, she looked at her pager, she noticed the time was 1:35 pm.

The afternoon break is called. More to come….

2:55 pm back in side the overflow room.

I see on the video, Dr. Murray coming out of the jury room. He must have used the restroom in there. This is not unusual. During the Brown case, when the jury was not in the courtroom, court personnel, attorneys, etc. often used the jury room bathroom.

CROSS by Flannagan (sp?):

In your practice do you use the drug mirazapan? Yes sir. 4 mg of the drug, in an 136 pound patient, how long would it keep him to sleep. It takes about 15 minutes or so, (to put him to sleep?) How long would that last?

Describes the type of drug it is. It is used for anxiety. Also used to induce sleep. If use it to induce sleep in 136 pound patient, how long should it induce sleep for?

It’s half life is about 14 hours. But you also have to take into consideration the (prior use of tthe drug in this patient.) She describes what half life is. The time it takes for the medication to have 1/2 of the effect.

He tries to give her a hypothetical. She comes back with questions of her own. Saying she needs the information. We all laugh.

She would start with a very small dose, 1 mg. She would not start with 4 milligrams.

I do not know anything about Dr. Cooper’s report.

So, you would start with 1 mg, possibly 2? She insists that she would need to know about prior use of the drug with the patient.

If you keep using the same medication, you would have to use a higher amount because you reach a higher concentration. If the medication is given IV ddepenting on the metabolisim through the liver,. I am not aware of the blood level of this patient. would you expect the blood level 169, to produce sleep? Obj. sustained.

We usually do not measure that. With her accent, it’s hard to understnad her. Even though she is speaking as clearly as she can.

When you are given morzipam, or and benzodiazapne. You are expected that you give a certain dose per weight. I thought I explained that it’s not known in relation to blood levels. Do you know anything about blood levels? Again, That’s not how we measure.

When you were taking to Dr. Murray, you said he had no concept of time. Obj. sust. It’s not my conclusion. i am not saying as to how he appeared. This was his answer to my question.

Did you have an impression of his emotional state? “do you want my opinon of his emotional state? He appeard devistated.

What do you mean? You want the definition of devastation? Laughter?

What was it that caused you to believe that he was devistated? His facial expression.

What about his voice? His voice was normal.

He appeared calm. The voice was calm.

That facial expression, that just caused you to determine he was devastated. Yes. snip The body language.

I did not ask him if he gave mirazapam. I asked him what drugs he gave.

I asked him what time and he could not give the time. He could not give an estimate.

This was the time I saw on my pager that I started talking to him 1:35 pm)

The other doctors, I recognized Dr. Cooper. (There may have been other residents.)

Was there a lot of confusion? There was not confusion.

Not at UCLA?

(Judge Pastor, I think states there was activity.)

This questioning of Dr. Murry took place at 1:35 in the room where there were five or six people working on Michael Jackson. Correct. And you’re asking him what time he gave what drugs. (Withdrawan).

It was at this time, did you think you had his full concentration? Yes. He was not watching the patient while he talked to me. He had established eye contact with me. Throughout the conversation. How long was the conversation? About 2 minutes. He was standing at the left leg of Michael Jackson. The size of the room was about a quarter of this room.

Dr. Cruz did not arrive until I asked him to come down. Dr. Cruz was the one who used the balloon pump. ? Dr. Cruz and I operated the balloon pump. And who’s idea was it? Dr. Cruz. You did the balloon pump? Yes.

We continued on the request of Dr. Murray. He did not want us to give up.

When you learned there was adavan in the patient, did you use any drugs to revers the razipan? Just talkng about this case. Did you use any drugs to revers the effects of the razipan. I asked why. Before I decided not to use, I asked Dr. Cooper, if riazipan had been used/reversed. She said no. (So the time of reversal was lost.)

At the first time of distress, that’s when the drug needs to be administered.

Dr. Murray didn’t give the order for the balloon pump did he? No.

It was not his advice, to put in the balloon pump. Yes. Without any indication?
The indication was cardiac failure.

Did the balloon pump, that was the purpose, to reverse the drug induced cardiac arrest? No sir. That’s not what I said. the indication of the balloon pump, is to assist the heart when it was failing. But it doesn’t reverse the drug. It only assists the heart.

“Only when the window of time will allow.. .”.(to use the reversal medication).
No further questions.


When you were presented with a number of hypotheticals by mr Flanagan. When you would give 1 “PO” that would be giving it by mouth, orally, because it would be safer? Yes.

A few more questions. Clarifies that she clearly heard and understood Dr. Murray (when questioning him at the hospital.

That’s it for this witness

#12 Dan Myers Detective

DAN MYERS Heard previous admonitions yes your honor.

Employed at LAPD. Currently work in Robbery Homicide. Lead investagators.

Examination of Dr. Murray’s cell phone calls. Dr. Murray had 2 cell phones in his name. is that correct? Yes.

He examined the cell phone records provided by the vendors. Focused the phone activity of June 25th 2009, from midnight 6/24h through the conclusion of 6/25. Yes I did.

What was the purpose of contacting the phone numbers. To identify the person or persons who were dialed.

Exhibit 20 on ELMO


7:01 am call from 3747(Dr. Murray) to 0266? did you call that number 11/17th.

Belongs to Andrew Butler.

Important question. How long empolyed? a little over 23 years.

Did he verify was in fact his residence phone number? Did you ask him if he knew Conrad Murray. He identified him as his friend and doctor.

Asked him if he recieved a phone call… He said he did not recall receiving a call from Dr. Murray. He said Dr. Murray was he physician.

8:49 am 702 683 5217 from to 3747 . Did you dial that number? Angelette Guild.
spoke with Ms. Guild. Asked if she knew Dr. Murray. She said he was a friend and her doctor. She said that she had received a letter in the mail that he would not be in the office and she called the doctor to inquire.

9:23 am 2909 from to murray 0973 Who used the number 2090. Spoke to a M

Bioni. Marissia, A friend of a daughter of her friend. Asked if her knowledge of Dr. Murray. She said that’s my friend’s father. She said, yes, that’s girlfriend chanelle, in California.

4955 to 9073 to Dr. Murray’s phone Called that number to identify the owner of the phone. Belonged to Acres Home and Cardiology Clinic in TX.

10:22 am 0124 phone call from to Dr. Murray Taked to a Dr. Prechad? (sp?) She indicated that she in post op room in hospital and ready to perfrom a procedure and she needed to know what kind of medication that patient was receiving. She needed to know if she should continue medication. She did talk to Dr. Murray and they dicussed the care for this patient. Was Dr. Murray able to assist her with the information. He recalled the patient by memory. The patient was a few months post of from a stint. Dr. Murray recalled the patient and the amounts of the medication. She indicated that in her short telephone call of less than 111 seconds. dr. Murray was able to recolect the patient, provide her with necessary information as medications as well as info on the proceedure conducted 2 months earlier.

10:34 am. From Murray 3747 619 994 3223 Called around the same time/date called the

Stacey Howel Ruggles. She said she knew Conrad Murray, and that she was his personal assistant. Did you ask Ms. Howel Ruggles if she had a conversation she said that she did remember the convesation, because it was an anniversary. Ms. Ruggles, told you that Dr. Murray directing her, requesting of her, drafting a letter concerning the upcoming tour in London.

Did you ask her if he seem distracted during the phone call. She did not indicate that he appeared to be distracted or tired. Did you ask her directly did conrad murray appear distracted? And what was her response? That he did not appear to be distracted.

11:07 am. Same ruggles phone number

11:18 placed cal to 6802 contacted that number 32 minute phone call. Who that was. What is that locatio. It’s Dr. Murray’s practice in Las Vegas. Detective physically went to that location.

That call duration to Global cardiovascular.
another call. to Conrad Murray. A Miss Morgan. she confirmed that was her number.

another call
from Dr. Murray to a Robert Russell. It was his number. Dr. Murray was his cardiologist.

11:51 am from Murray 093 to 3832. Contacted that number.. Who did you speakd Ms. Saday Adinie. She know Conrad Murray.

Objection to the conversation, but what the conversation was about is not relevant.

She did in fact receive a phone call, and she spoke to Dr. Murray on the telephone.

12:12 pm from Murray to Michael Admir Williams, and that we had testimony from him.

1:08 pm to 8070 from murray to Ms. Nicole Alvarez. Contacted Ms. Alvarez. Did you determine how she knew him. She is the father of her child. How old is the child in common. Sustained objection.

End of direct.

Judge Pastor asks if defense had a few questions, no more than five minutes or if this would be a good time to take a break.They take a break. Pastor asks to see counsel at the bench.

9:30 am resume tomorrow.

3 Responses to “Murray Pretrial Hearings – 01/06/2011”

  1. Jackie says:

    Murray is a big liar!!!

    And the fact he said he “witnessed” the arrest is worse for him because instead of calling 911 and do CPR correctly and statred calling other people but not 911,and let’s not forget the he didn’t monitored Michael,and always lies!

    Miserable Murray!

  2. Patty says:

    OMG that man was on his phones the entire time he had Michaael sedated. He just kept injecting and injecting to keep Michael out of his way.

  3. Advocates For Michael says:

    I’ve been thinking about mj and his kids lately with the court stuff that is going on right now. It’s so unfair how he suffered so much abuse in life and now in death he still is a target for all this crap. As for Dr. Murray, I just have a hard time accepting that this SOB did not know CPR. The fact that he is well respected by his patients does not fit the profile of an idiot doctor who would even use Propofol in a home setting without proper monitoring and lifesaving equipment. From the testimonies I have read, it doesn’t sound like murray even cared about trying to get mj’s heart to start again. He just wasted too much time. It’s like if your child is choking on a hard candy, do you take your time trying to get that candy out of them, or do you immediately start trying to get it out of them?

    If what Kenny said is true about mj seeming to act lost just days before he died, no telling why mj acted like this. It makes me think that someone threatened mj’s life and he never told anyone. I have noticed before in the This Is It movie that he looked scared. Why though? If murray really did scold Kenny, can you imagine what he might have said to mj when no one else was around?
    And murray, is he some kind of man whore or something? Calling his ex this and gf that while mj needed medical attention.

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